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 Subject :Re:Who should the Leafs aim to get in return for Kaberle?.. 2010-06-09 08:19:59 
Launy Schwartz
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The salary issue is exactly why a trade between Chi town and Toronto makes sense. The Leafs have cap space, and if they trade Tomas in exchange for Campbell, Sharp/Versteeg, and maybe even snag a pick, it looks good.

Campy is a tough trade due to his awful contract, and I am sure another team will be OK with taking Huet off the Hawks hands too, but I think Burke can make the right financial arrangement which will make all parties happy.

As for the whole East/West argument, it gets nullified the minute you add "defending Stanley Cup champions" to the list of reasons to head to the Windy City.
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 Subject :Re:Who should the Leafs aim to get in return for Kaberle?.. 2010-06-09 06:33:49 
madhunt
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I dealt with this sometime ago, watch Chicago work a deal with the Leafs, Campbell comes here, and Versteeg with either Sharp or a second rounder. The Hawks pick up part of Campbell's contract.

Kabbie is gonesville as a Leaf. The San Jose scenario also fits, but for draft picks instead, they have Boyle and can get others cheaper. I could see him land in Columbus too.

Kulimen is one of those players who got a scream at by his agent and decided to pump up his game, on a contract year. I hope I am wrong, but he is of that eastern bloc element and it happens quite often. Can someone tell me why the Leafs kept and signed Grabovski.

I guess we will see all of this happen sooner than later.
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 Subject :Re:Who should the Leafs aim to get in return for Kaberle?.. 2010-06-08 20:23:45 
AgentSpin
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I mean, if you're looking for a Caputi, a probable career 4th line player with 3rd line potenial, then yes ship him off. If you're looking for something of equal value than there will not be any offers on the table. The problem with the Leafs is that there are enough Caputi's to go around, what they need are young top 6 forwards who will be play for a long time. You look at the top teams and you see two potent lines of players under 28 that are locked up for the long term. The Leafs have Kessel and maybe Kadri, if he develops, who fit that criteria (And no, Bozak nor Kulemin are top 6 guys). Kaberle will not get you the asset needed to help the Leafs begin to be a better team.

The real question is, which player will get you that top 6 asset? The answer may be Beauchemin, a stay at home d-man locked up longterm at reasonable dollars. I could see a team like San Jose or Pittsburgh giving up something quaility for that type of player based on their playoff performances alone (albeit in a package with a Kulemin, Garbo, etc). If you look at salaries of stay at home d-men, they've been on the rise since the lockout; one signed this year via free agency will cost you more in terms of cap than one signed last year. That type of player has yet to hit market saturation but when they do you can bet the ones on old contracts will be very sought after.

Where else can they get this player? Teams in bad cap situations obviously. Chicago is going to have to blow up a decent portion of that team after this week and you have to wonder how many teams will be willing to eat salary. As you guys mentioned, the Leafs are probably the only team in the NHL that would be willing to do that. Like the NBA, taking on bad salary can have its perks with young talent; seems like a perfect fit, no? And you wouldn't need to put Kaberle in the deal to accomplish this.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is trading Kaberle isn't anywhere close to helping solve the problems the Leafs need to address. He's in this weird nether world of great player, affordable but untradeable based on how teams are structured today. To get a great package of young players, the time to trade him was last year; the most they can get right now are long-term projects, young players with low ceilings or a low first round draft pick. Will Kaberle be traded? probably, but the return won't neccesarily blow your socks off.
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 Subject :Re:Re:Who should the Leafs aim to get in return for Kaberle?.. 2010-06-08 19:39:08 
Justin Marangoni
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You make some really good points Loreto. Brian Burke is a player's GM, and will make sure that if Kaberle gets traded that he goes to a place that makes him happy too. But, Burke also plays by the rules, and just as he defended Kaberle's no-trae clause up to this point, he's going to take FULL advantage of it being negated for a brief period of time.

Kaberle just might end up in Phoenix, and now that Burke is done coddling the guy all year, it's time for Burke to be a man and do what's right for this team, and not ONLY just for Kaberle.

My final point: Kaberle won't fetch a 'Carter + 1st' return like he once could, but if Ponikarovski can land us a good young prospect like Luca Caputi straight up, and with the master of the trade in Brian Burke as our GM, I don't think anything is out of th question.

And my best bet is with LA or Chicago. Burke will obviously allow any team to negotiate an extension for Kaberle before any big deals are made, and thus, Kaberle's value goes up instantly if a team knows they'll have him for another 4-5 years.

Trust me, Burke will get a damn good return for Kaberle.

 

 


[AgentSpin 2010-06-08 19:16:10]:

The problem with Kaberle is the 1 year left on his contract while only showning interest for staying in Toronto (or at least, the East). Unless a team thinks Kaberle is the missing piece, it's unlikely the Maple Leafs will get anything close to the upside you've posted.
The fact he seems hell bent to stay in the east will pretty much mean a low value of return out west. Teams like Anahiem, Columbus and Pheonix aren't contenders and probably won't mortgage their future for Tomas Kaberle. Chicago and San Jose are loaded with contracts, probably can't afford to take on Kaberle without dumping their own salaries and already have Play-Making Defensemen in their line ups. LA would make sense 2 years from now when they could really be considered contenders and have all their core locked up, but right now Kaberle would just cost them young players and possible cap space on a re-sign. The eastern conference has similar issues: Washington and Pittsburgh are already loaded with contracts and have PMDs in good stock, The Bostons and Philadelphias are already sured up on d in terms of cap, and the low lifes like Florida aren't going to give away prospects. The only team that may make sense is Carolina and at best you're only getting the 7th and a salary dump. The kind of return that may be desired likely won't be close to realistic because there isn't a glaring need for him game 1. His value might actually be worth more at the trade deadline than at the draft.

Now, the trade deadline his No-Trade rears its head and you know Kaberle will balk at anything. The best solution is probably to resign him to a home discount contract and consider him playing on the wing making him, in essence, a top 6 forward. I mean, for a guy 32, he hasn't been banged up like most 32 d-men and he is a great play maker that would compliment Kessel very well. Again, the assets just won't be there unless Brian Burke can pull a Phaneuf out of his hat again.
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 Subject :Re:Who should the Leafs aim to get in return for Kaberle?.. 2010-06-08 19:16:10 
AgentSpin
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The problem with Kaberle is the 1 year left on his contract while only showning interest for staying in Toronto (or at least, the East). Unless a team thinks Kaberle is the missing piece, it's unlikely the Maple Leafs will get anything close to the upside you've posted.
The fact he seems hell bent to stay in the east will pretty much mean a low value of return out west. Teams like Anahiem, Columbus and Pheonix aren't contenders and probably won't mortgage their future for Tomas Kaberle. Chicago and San Jose are loaded with contracts, probably can't afford to take on Kaberle without dumping their own salaries and already have Play-Making Defensemen in their line ups. LA would make sense 2 years from now when they could really be considered contenders and have all their core locked up, but right now Kaberle would just cost them young players and possible cap space on a re-sign. The eastern conference has similar issues: Washington and Pittsburgh are already loaded with contracts and have PMDs in good stock, The Bostons and Philadelphias are already sured up on d in terms of cap, and the low lifes like Florida aren't going to give away prospects. The only team that may make sense is Carolina and at best you're only getting the 7th and a salary dump. The kind of return that may be desired likely won't be close to realistic because there isn't a glaring need for him game 1. His value might actually be worth more at the trade deadline than at the draft.

Now, the trade deadline his No-Trade rears its head and you know Kaberle will balk at anything. The best solution is probably to resign him to a home discount contract and consider him playing on the wing making him, in essence, a top 6 forward. I mean, for a guy 32, he hasn't been banged up like most 32 d-men and he is a great play maker that would compliment Kessel very well. Again, the assets just won't be there unless Brian Burke can pull a Phaneuf out of his hat again.
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 Subject :Re:Re:Who should the Leafs aim to get in return for Kaberle?.. 2010-06-08 18:59:38 
Justin Marangoni
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That's a good proposition, but don't you think Campbell's salary is way too damn huge? He's getting paid over 7 million for atLEAST another 6 years. That contract makes Jeff Finger look cheap, no way he's moving.

However, Patrick Sharp is a perfect match. He's a talented centre who can still put up the big numbers on Chicago's 2nd line, even when he's overshadowed by guys like Kane and Toews who eat up much more ice time.

A guy like Huet could be had and sent to the minors, or Kris Versteeg even. If we packaged Grabovski and Kaberle for Sharp, Versteeg, Huet, Sopel and a guy like Beach, I would do it in a heartbeat.


[Launy Schwartz 2010-06-08 18:54:18]:

I like Chicago. Kaberle may be a nice fit there and the Leafs could take Campbell's salary on along with a younger player like Sharp or Versteeg.

Campbell is a good play maker, not quite as good defensively, but all together this package looks pretty sweet to me.
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 Subject :Re:Who should the Leafs aim to get in return for Kaberle?.. 2010-06-08 18:54:18 
Launy Schwartz
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I like Chicago. Kaberle may be a nice fit there and the Leafs could take Campbell's salary on along with a younger player like Sharp or Versteeg.

Campbell is a good play maker, not quite as good defensively, but all together this package looks pretty sweet to me.
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 Subject :Re:Who should the Leafs aim to get in return for Kaberle?.. 2010-06-08 18:27:36 
Justin Marangoni
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-Pittsburgh: Jordan Staal

-Washington: John Carlson/Karl Alzner and Eric Fehr/Tomas Fleischmann

-Vancouver: Jordan Schroeder, Mayson Raymond

-NY Rangers: Derek Stepan, Ryan Callahan

-Phoenix: Kyle Turris

-Anaheim: Peter Holland, Kyle Palmieri
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 Subject :Who should the Leafs aim to get in return for Kaberle?.. 2010-06-08 18:11:32 
Justin Marangoni
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If available:

 

-Buffalo: Drew Stafford and Zack Kassian

-LA: Brayden Schenn

-Chicago: Kyle Beach, Kris Versteeg and cap relief (Brent Sopel, Cristobal Huet)

-Boston: Blake Wheeler and Joe Colborne

-Edmonton: Andrew Cogliano, Linus Omark and cap relief (Shawn Horcoff)

 

Keep in mind that Mikhail Grabovski and quite possibly Nikolai Kulemin are also in play.
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